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...how the perceptions of responsibility go around here. After a night's thought on the subject, I came to this conclusion. While the appropriate teachers and staff are bound by ethical considerations and vocation to look out for our best interests, it stands to some argument as to who should decide what those best interests are. In Amanda's case, it was the choice to risk her own health for something she obviously thought was worth it. Argue the priorities all you want, it was still her decision to make, proven by the simple fact that she did it.

Conversely, I get asked to rush to the medlab to assist with a technical matter, and spend the better part of eight hours running simulations on the computer software and burying myself in schematics and test data. When I've got two roommates upstairs who nearly ripped each other to shreds a few days ago, and could possibly be doing the same right now, I don't know. Now, much like Amanda - I like using my power to help people. So far, it doesn't give me any nosebleeds or migraines or what have you. I think my record has been staying up working for fifty-three hours, but that's another matter entirely.

The point is, it's my choice to do so. I don't consider myself obligated in any way to use what I can do to be of service - I do it because I choose to. If there was the possibility of harm, that would affect my decision - but it would still be my decision. To try and dictate when and where it shouldn't be used, I see that as no different than slapping someone in chains - because you take away that aspect of choice.

It's no secret - I don't like the inhibitors. I detest "the Box". I hate the concept of image inducers. But I know that in the first two cases, they are sometimes medically necessary. In the latter, it's simply a matter of fear and vanity, and a choice that's up to the individual to use. But imagine telling someone "If you're going to go out in public, you MUST use the image inducer". What does that tell them other than "You're not fit for going out as you are. You are not good enough."?

Despite everyone's favorite buzzword of "equality" - the simple fact remains that we are not equal with those generations that came before us. Our powers do define us, like it or not. The same way that a basketball player being tall defines who he is. To try and take away our choice as to their appropriate use is no different than putting mutants' names on a registration list, or mandating separate lunch counters and drinking fountains.

I am a mutant, and I will not be ashamed of it. In the outside world OR here. That gives me an edge, an advantage, a natural gift that makes me unique. And because it is mine, the choice of how to use it is mine - and I will deal with the consequences or merits that result. While I appreciate the ability I have here to refine it and train it more than I can express - in the end, I will not surrender my freedom as to how I use it. But I suppose that's a choice everyone has to make for themselves.

If anyone wants to think more on this, I have some great books to read on the subject.

Date: 2005-02-20 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-mirage.livejournal.com
I am not only defined by my powers. I was Red before I was a mutant. I'll always be Cheyenne first. There is so much more that makes me me and you you than just our powers. They are a part of the whole. and if you think you are only your powers then I may as well still believe I'm some stupid girl needing a husband. because I am more than that as you yelled at me one day and you are right. and you are more than just "the maker" Hahkota.

Date: 2005-02-20 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Part of what and who we are, yes. Your heritage is a big part of what makes you who you are. I'm not saying to JUST identify yourself by what you can do - that'd be as bad as being ONLY Cheyenne or ONLY Jewish or ONLY blue-eyed.

But not everyone has what we have - and we've got to recognize that singular uniqueness as something that defines us, both as individuals and as a people. You tried to explain it to me, what it meant to be Cheyenne. It's how I see being a mutant. But being Cheyenne wouldn't mean anything if, say, you'd been raised in a different culture. Whereas my being a mutant is something permanent, a physical part of me. That's why I identify with it, it's something I can say is mine without anyone else to take the credit or responsibility for it.

Date: 2005-02-20 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-mirage.livejournal.com
how is being a mutant "yours"? you are a part of the Creator and the Creator made mutants.

I am Cheyenne regardless of whether I am a mutant or not, just as Kitty will always be Jewish. You are always you, powers or not. being a mutant would not mean anything if you weren't one.

Date: 2005-02-20 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kitten.livejournal.com
Yeah, ok, so being Cheyenne or being Jewish or being anything wouldn't have mattered if we'd been raised in a different culture, but then that cultural thing would have mattered. There's are so many ways to lable ourselves and so many things we can all do and say and be, that limiting it to any one thing, no matter what that one thing is, is just that. Limiting.

And there's nothing about being a mutant that is any more important as far as labels and self identificaiton go than being a student or a daughter or a friend or a dancer or a anything, at least not for me. If you want that to be the most important thing to you, that's fine, but when you start saying that we should all be saying "I'm a mutant and that's the thing about me that's important" then you take away our right to chose what we feel is important about ourselves. I'm not saying deny the fact that we're mutants, I'm saying embrace it, and embrace everything else about ourselves.

Yes, I'm a mutant, but that's not all that I am. Yes, I'm Jewish, but that's not all that I am. Yes, I'm a girl, but that is not all that I am. I'm Kitty, and there's a lot of things which make me up, so why should I deny any of them, or elevate any of them.

Being able to walk through walls is something most people can't do, but most people can't stand on point for an hour straight or calculate fifth order differentials or read Hebrew. So what. Everybody can do at least one thing that most people can't do, even 'just' humans.

Date: 2005-02-20 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
You are cordially invited to my philosophy class, John Henry. I find your rhetoric as stated uninformed and immature. You are welcome to change my mind.

Date: 2005-02-20 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
You can find it what you want. Some folks' minds can't be changed, that much I'm aware of. Thank you for the offer, though.

Date: 2005-02-20 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
You're correct, Forge. Some people never learn. Those people I pity and I fear. I hope that you don't choose to remain in an unexamined position on this.

For the record, on this issue, my mind has changed once.

The offer is a standing one.

Date: 2005-02-21 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
After some discussion with people (read: getting my head thwacked), I believe I may take you up on that talk. Not sure I could take a whole class on it, but I do owe you a bit of an apology.

Date: 2005-02-21 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Head thwacked? Do I want to know?

Oh, come to a whole phil class. You might even like it. We're very logical.

No apology necessary to me. I'll take thoughtful discussion instead.

Date: 2005-02-21 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Why's everyone keep assuming I'm all about the logic? :) I'm an engineering superfreak, not some Mister Spock robot. Not everything has to be all superlogical equations and crap.

But if I have a free period, I may see about auditing a class, if that's okay.

Date: 2005-02-21 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Ah, of course, nothing logical about engineering.

Just thought the non-emotive approach would appeal is all.

Like I said, the offer is standing. Feel free to drop in.

Date: 2005-02-21 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Engineering is logical, because it's supposed to be. I *am* open-minded enough to realize that not everything has to be bound by rigid inflexible logic, you know. I have to take English Lit AND Humanities, after all...

Date: 2005-02-21 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Certain things we do have to have a sort of order and logic to them - engineering, hard sciences, mathematics, cooking. Then there's the stuff that seems to defy logic, the creative arts, humanities, history, all that stuff. I always figured philosophy would fall into the latter category, being based on opinion and argument.

Which is not to say that I'm opposed to it. I have been known from time to time to be rather vocal about my opinions. And learning how to effectively back them up would be advantageous.

Date: 2005-02-21 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Oh, I follow now. Sorry, ran out of coffee and the new pot hasn't finished.

I would very loosely define philosophy as the application of logic to the question why. While it is a humanities course, it is not opinion based. Argument, on the other hand, we do use.

Date: 2005-02-21 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Also? Cooking is as much an art as a science. *food snob*

Date: 2005-02-21 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
In as much as engineering is the science / invention is the art; baking/boiling/stewing is the science, cooking is the art. Right?

Date: 2005-02-21 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
I'd say the baking/boiling/stewing is the media. The meal is the art.

I'm making dinner right now so you could come on down and see for yourself. *is not at all attempting to dragoon an assistant, really*

Date: 2005-02-21 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
If I were not offsite right now, I'd...

I am attempting to fight for control of the PDA and am being told to put it away and eat. Finicky cat.

Date: 2005-02-21 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Tell Catseye I said hello.

You can come experience the process tomorrow. Say about 4?

Date: 2005-02-21 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-madelyn.livejournal.com
I'm not arguing with your right to choose what to do with your powers, Forge, or for anyone else - hell, that'd be arrogance of unimaginable scale for me, considering I'm powerless myself. But there are always factors involved with choices, and sometimes the reasons for a choice are almost as important as the choice itself.

Part of the reason Amanda was taken off healing people is because she was literally draining herself dry to do it. To the point she was seriously endangering her health on minor matters that would heal just fine on their own. The other was that we were concerned with her perception of herself, and the perception others had of her, as nothing more than a healing machine. That was a bad reason for her to choose to help, which is why we stepped in.

Helping is good, but why you're helping is sometimes more important. And what it costs should always be considered.

Date: 2005-02-21 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
sometimes the reasons for a choice are almost as important as the choice itself

I don't understand. The outcome's the same either way.

Date: 2005-02-21 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-rahne.livejournal.com
Not inside to the person making the choice, and quite likely not outside either, since if the reasons are different, the other things you do will probably be different. Since you will be.

Date: 2005-02-21 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
I think I might understand, but it still doesn't make any sense. When it comes down to it - Amanda made a choice to use her power to help Jay, at a significant cost to herself. I'm well aware of what it would do to her, I have the stats and figures right here. Fact remains, she made the choice because she wanted to help. She felt it was that important. If I could have built something to accomplish the same result, I would have.

Date: 2005-02-21 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-rahne.livejournal.com
Well, I was thinking about it as a general thing. I don't know what Amanda did or why, exactly -- she's said it's not my business. (I mean, not that she said that to me personally; I hadn't asked when she said it wasn't anybody's business who didn't know already.) But she's not the only one making choices in the scene, either. Jay did (I'd think), and the doctors afterward, and apparently you did at some point.

And... well, Doug made a choice a few months ago to plan on taking a bullet for me. He wound up getting yelled at a lot, not for wanting to help, but for how he did it. Obviously this isn't the same situation, but... well, the other side of the reasons mattering is that even with good reasons it's possible to make a bad choice.

Date: 2005-02-21 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
I think what's being argued here is whether or not ends justify the means. And since Mr. Dayspring posed us that very same question in Humanities the other week, I've been thinking about it.

And all I can come up with is that I don't really know the answer. I think having an ability to do something gives you the right to choose how you use that ability. It also comes with dealing with the consequences. Amanda's got a bad headache, among other things. I think that ought to be consequence enough, and that no one else - doctors included - has a right to add to that.

Date: 2005-02-21 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
And now that I have had a good talking-to about the subject, I am becoming convinced that you're quite right, and I've been sounding like a bit of an ass. I think it's apparently a habit with you metamorphs that you seem to be a bit more grounded than the rest of us loonies.

Thanks.

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