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John Henry Forge ([personal profile] x_maker) wrote2009-05-01 10:39 am

A quick lesson in bigotry and tolerance

While not every adult using this journal system is part of the educational staff, I felt a few recent comments deserved looking over.

First, assume you came across a message with this basic content:

Mutants are scum. Every one of them. We don't need them, and the moment one steps out of line we have every right to visit physical violence and assault on them, and be applauded for it. After all, just because a few are bad, that's obviously reflective of the whole.

Most of you - being reasonably rational and intelligent people - would dismiss this as a raving lunatic racist, akin to your average Friends of Humanity protestor or internet troll.

But replace the term "Mutants" with "Humans". Imagine someone - let's say someone on this journal system - was espousing hatred and violence towards humans. After all, there's a lot of them out there who hate us, right? And they discriminate against us in ways both obvious and subtle. So that must mean it's okay to hate all of them, right?

Wrong.

It's wrong, and every single one of us with a functioning brain stem knows it.

Further distillation: replace the subject with, say, "Men".

Oh, then it becomes a valid complaint? Something to be ignored or waved off? No. It's bigotry and hatred all the same. There's a line between valid emotional venting and outright hate speech, and lately it's not only been crossed, but crossed in a manner akin to the Germany/Belgium border in 1914.

To the students: A lot of you have had direct interaction with jerks, and discrimination, and abuse, and hatred. But you haven't turned around and become that kind of hate-fueled monster yourself. That kind of self-control and enlightenment is to be commended. For whatever stumbling blocks you all might encounter as individuals, none of you have become the kind of reactive bigots that give humanity a reason to hate and fear mutants.

To Jennie: You, however, have achieved EPIC FAIL at common decency and rational thought. Maybe the common denominator in all your failed relationships is you.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you do have to realize most women are incurably insane.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw, did widdle boo-boo's feewings get hurt by mean nasty Jennie? Poor baby.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you were pretty harsh. You did demonstrate though why I personally will never date women.

[identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Not at all, given that I'm an awesome boyfriend who treats his girlfriend with decency and respect. So obviously your little screed wouldn't include me.

What bothers me is that someone who used to at least be within some very liberal stretching of the definition of intelligent and coherent being reduced to a gibbering lunatic that makes Nimrod look reasonable in comparison.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I was hurt and pissed off, sweetie. I have these things, called emotions that Forge doesn't quite understand. It doesn't mean I'm going to run around with a carving knife and cut off every one that I see.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
What if we gave you that carving knife yesterday? Like say, right after you found out?

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Awwww. Go get yourself a cookie and pat yourself on the head, it'll be all right. It's clear you just don't understand complex things such as interpersonal human relationships. Don't strain yourself.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I already kicked him in the balls, dear.

Besides, you can nitpick my statement til the cows come home, but I had, what my therapist assures me, was a perfectly healthy, normal reaction to a bad shock. I was hurt, pissed off, and needed to vent.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Now that's just stereotypical.

And the whole thing is why relationships are a waste of time in the first place. You're just going to get burned in the end.

[identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I'm going to call total bullshit on this alleged "therapist" telling you that assault and battery is a perfectly healthy, normal reaction.

So yeah, lies.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It's kinda cute how you're trying to get on me for unhealthy reactions.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Forgie, sweetie. Come talk to me when you've removed your head from your sphincter, n'kay?

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I know. I'm really just proving myself right. Women are incurably insane.

Either way, kicking a man in the balls is stereotypical. They expect that of us now. You couldn't have say, rammed his face into the bar?

Same sediment, new and improved reaction.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Hindsight's 20/20, chickadee.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure is. Of course, I dunno, I mean I'll pick fights with about anyone, but I think in the situation a guy I liked was sucking face with someone else I'd just walk away laughing.

...In fact, I have done that.

But hey. Not me. You. Your therapist is okay with you kicking ex-Boys in the nuts and I wasn't there. So all must be good.

I mean, it's not like he'll make that mistake again with you.

[identity profile] x-icarus.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You kicked 'em in the balls? Y'all have any idea how much that hurts? I dunno, but just from where I'm standing, ball kickins is last thing I'd do, sorta the life and death stuff.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly, which is why I did it.

And for anyone else who wants to be all judgey at me, you might wanna think real hard about that whole "cast the first stone" stuff.

[identity profile] x-nothungry.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry. I don't really belong in this conversation, and I know I'm probably the last person Mr. Forge wants on his side during this argument, but here goes:

Ms. Stavros, I don't know you. I'm new here, and reaching out isn't my best forte, but if Mr. Forge came on here and vented about how a girl he liked was with another guy behind his back and he booted her between the legs, I think your reaction would be fairly similar to his is angeredness (just from what I've read here and on other posts, mind you) and dismissing what he's said with, uh, flippancy? Is that a word? Well, that thing. It just goes to prove his point.

"When children have their feelings hurt, they break their own toys. Adults move past it." I think Mr. McCoy said that once. Anyways, Just my two cents.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Just that?

Think about it, up north here the second a guy socks a girl everyone is screaming "ABUSE" at the top of the lungs.

When a girl hits a guy, it's totally socially acceptable.

...Hot damn, I love this part of the country. I think I'll go out and beat up men tonight.

[identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh for fuck's sake.

I didn't have the most mature of reactions, I will be the first to admit this, but I was not the first person in the history of the world to get thrown out of a bar for kicking a douchebag ex in the testicles and I most certainly will not be the last. Having everyone come down on me like I've just killed a puppy is, shall we say, overkill. For those of you who think that I am in the wrong, we will have to respectfully agree to disagree and leave it with that, because any amount of public shaming will not work. It's been proven, repeatedly, that I am immune to it. If Forge had come to me, IN PERSON, and discussed how what I had said and done had offended him, then I would have given it all due respect.

Coming on the journal system, disrespectfully comparing me to a bigot when definition of one is, and I quote: "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." and in no way involves "words spoken in the heat of the moment which have no actual bearing on said individuals ACTUAL beliefs" while acting all high and mighty when he HIMSELF has not exercised the best judgment in tense or emotional situations caused me to treat his statements with the respect they deserved.

Does this answer satisfy everyone? Or do we feel the need to drag all the other bad things I've done in the light and wave a shame finger at me? Because the only people I've ever owed apologies to have already been apologized to. I am not perfect. I have never claimed to be, nor do I expect others to be. How can we be forgiving and tolerant of people who hate and fear us, and yet turn around and become wholly intolerant for those of us who screw up?

(Did everyone seriously have judgment tea with their breakfast this morning? Seriously, the hell?)

[identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello children.

Just a friendly reminder. Attacking anyone, no matter how much you feel you've been provoked, is a one way ticket to an assault charge that you will be convicted of. Please bear this in mind and exercise the self-control that the school does its best to try and instill in all of us. Remember, revenge might be sweet, but a criminal record is forever.

This concludes my mandatory police outreach to the community. If you have any questions about exciting careers in law enforcement, you can find me at Harry's yelling at the baseball on television.

-- Inspector G. Kane

[identity profile] x-wasp.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, Fred and Cammie said pretty much exactly what I was thinking! Well, the part saying how people would freak out at the opposite idea, a guy hitting or kicking or otherwise hurting a girl.

Jennie's just in "grr, argh" mode. She'll get over it, I'm sure. If not, and she doesn't want to go out with any more guys, at least we'll know she won't be kicking anyone in the balls for making out with someone else.

[identity profile] x-scorpion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, I suppose that puts a damper in my punching plans, doesn't it?

And here I thought diamonds were forever.

[identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com 2009-05-01 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much, yeah, unless you like the idea of our local mutantphobic police force getting the chance to toss you in the lock up.

Diamonds can be pawned, records... not so much.

In celebration of your mature realisation, I'm happy to offer to buy you wings in response.

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